Catullus and Sappho

Catullus:
86
Many find Quintia stunning. I find her attractive:
Tall, “regal,” fair in complexion—these points are granted.
But stunning? No, I deny it: the woman is scarcely venerious,
There’s no spice at all in the length of her body!
Now Lesbia is stunning, for Lesbia’s beauty is total:
And by that sum all other women are diminished.

39
Egnatius, because he has bright white teeth,always smiles: If someone comes to the defendant'sbench, when the speaker arouses weeping,he grins; If there is weeping at the funeral pyre ofa dutiful son, when the bereaved mother laments her only son,he grins. Whatever it is, wherever he is,whatever he is doing, he grins: he has this disease,neither elegant, as I think, nor refined.Therefore I must warn you, my good Egnatius.If you were a city man or a Sabine or a Tiburnanor a thrifty Umbrian or a fat Etruscanor a swarthy or toothy Lanuvian ora Transpadane, to touch on my own people as well,or anyone you like who cleans his teeth with clean water,I still should not want you to smile on all occasions:for nothing is more silly than a silly smile.Now you are a Celtiberian: in the land of Celtiberia,whatever each man has urinated, with this he is accustomedin the morning to rub his teeth and gums until they are red,so that the more polished those teeth of yours are,the more urine they proclaim you to have drunk.

70
My woman says there is no one whom she’d rather marry
Than me, not even Jupiter, if he came courting.
That’s what she says—but what a woman says to a passionate lover
Ought to be scribbled on wind, on running water.

94
Mentula is an adulterer. Why certainly he is. How could he be anythingelse with a name such as his. It is as natural as for a pot to gather vegetables.

Excerpts from Sappho
‘Some say horsemen, some say warriors’

Some say horsemen, some say warriors,
Some say a fleet of ships is the loveliest
Vision in this dark world, but I say it’s
What you love.

It’s easy to make this clear to everyone,
Since Helen, she who outshone
All others in beauty, left
A fine husband,

And headed for Troy
Without a thought for
Her daughter, her dear parents…
Led astray….

And I recall Anaktoria, whose sweet step
Or that flicker of light on her face,
I’d rather see than Lydian chariots
Or the armed ranks of the hoplites.



‘Stand up and look at me, face to face’

Stand up and look at me, face to face
My friend,
Unloose the beauty of your eyes.....


‘Love shook my heart’

Love shook my heart,
Like the wind on the mountain
Troubling the oak-trees.


‘He’s equal with the Gods, that man’

He’s equal with the Gods, that man
Who sits across from you,
Face to face, close enough, to sip
Your voice’s sweetness,

And what excites my mind,
Your laughter, glittering. So,
When I see you, for a moment,
My voice goes,

My tongue freezes. Fire,
Delicate fire, in the flesh.
Blind, stunned, the sound
Of thunder, in my ears.

Shivering with sweat, cold
Tremors over the skin,
I turn the colour of dead grass,
And I’m an inch from dying.



Saturday, September 26, 2009

A's for the Q's

1. i was a bit troubled answering this b/c I feel it didn't give enough to judge his vision of love and beauty. he mentions only two women one he expresses distaste for, and the other appears to be the twinkle in his eye. maybe he loathes Quinta b/c she rejected him and fucked his best friend or maybe he is superficial and transparent, but come on who isn't. how many of us can say we don't "add up" a person's traits to our expectations only a few of us would lay with a person that has goat-like facial features (unless alcohol plays a part then that statistic may increase), but if i was to answer this as if I had no trouble whatsoever I'd would SUM it up by saying I believe the mathematical comparisons is used for wit, to make the poem flow, and his view of love and beauty is like any other living human, he is realistic in judging people and comparing them to his likes and dislikes.

2a. I chose different poems to interpret b/c i felt the responses would tend to repeat itself after the fifth blog, so i went with #42, 43, and 47 (no reason really just went one below 32, 33, & 37)
#42
reading this made me think of pink floyd and the album The Wall with the song that starts out saying " I got a little black book with my poems in it" this could totally be another song on that album but anyway:
he is obviously pissed off, love how he starts off by saying "come here, nasty words, so many I can hardly tell where you all came from" which tells me he like Linda Blair head spinning pissed. it appears that a women stole his poems, who she is isn't mention she could be a working girl servicing Johns (whore; ) or a girlfriend or lover that wanted to hurt him by taking his writings, I'm going with the lover b/c he mentions (if nothing else, lets make that pinched bitch turn red-faced.) if it was a working girl i don't think it would bother her all that much to be called a rotten slut, if anything it might help business.
this relates in modern times on so many levels, lovers fight all the time and find ways to hurt one another; we always take for granted and hurt the ones closest to us.

2b. #43
ahhh short but sweet........ and to top it off helps back up my answer to the first question. love it
it just him speaking of a girl/woman/hag with distaste call her big nosed, with ugly feet, black eyes ect ect ect... and he asks her if people (province) think of her as beautiful? and then he asked is Lesbia compared with you? it appears that he holds a torch for Lesbia and no one else compares to this love that is engulfed in.
I think we all have had or have a love that is perfect in our eyes and nothing else compares or be EQUAL to... (see used a mathematical comparison to be witty) ;)

2c. #47
another short one..... but not as sweet, have to say one thing this guy doesn't like a lot of people, but anyway, he mention two people he doesn't like calling them the two left hands of piso(?) well I believe at that time in history the left hand meant evil or the devils hand (and yes I'm left handed and no I'm not offended) so he's calling them evil and a scab and hunger of the universe, a scab is clot to help heal a wound but could be look at in a negative way like a scab in the outcome of pain and suffering so with out the scab there couldn't be pain also the same goes for hunger, true hunger not the "I normally eat lunch at 12pm and now it's 1:30pm, I'm so hungry" but the its been six days without food, my wife's foot looks tasty, belly swollen-ribs showing knees looking like sea turtles slip under my skin and died there hunger. so these guys guys seem to be miserable and misery loves company
so their partying and having a great time eating "lavishly" while his buddies are begging for food on the corner.
well most artist are poor or was poor or lived the Bohemian life style, and some could be eccentric like this fellow here, so it is only natural that he loathes the two people b/c he and his friends are just as deserving if not more deserving b/c of his intellect to have such parties.
how does this relate to current times one word will SUM it up
Envy.

3. my personal definition of romantic love besides hand holding, warm chocolate steaming from our cups as we kick leafs to the side as we stroll though the park, speaking softly to one another while smiling effortlessly: would be something I wrote not to long ago

Simple
a kiss we shared, was like magic
I dreamed of such a time, the minutes into hours
so many nights, countless days
I dreamed of something so simple
The kiss of your lips
we share so much
stories of lives parted by seas
words I fight to remember, each day
The sight of your eyes, the warmth of your presence
stirs this dark thing that sits in my heart
it makes me feel again, a feeling I lost long ago
An emotion called love that I once have known
came forth to play its part
It's true, yes you heard right
moments before we embraced
I told myself it can't be true
we could never be hand in hand, face to face
whispering words that make us smile, laugh
I was going to destroy each dream
from my mind
You heard it right I think....
Simple
Its just like that, no more no less
I smile, I laugh, And I love
yes my dear, i fear its true....
I've fallen in love with you
George Marchitella
7/5/09

4 comments:

Aye Swe said...

I agree with what you said about Catullus 86. I also had a hard time with the first question because of it. I don't think he really talked about love. I mean, calling someone beautiful and choosing that person over another woman doesn't necessarily mean you are expressing love for that person. So I couldn't really tell what HIS meaning of romantic love is.

Anonymous said...

I agree with your view on romantic love. It is sometimes hard for me to put into words what love means to me, but I think the poem you posted says it all. Aside from being attracted to someone, a kiss is an amazing emotional feeling that means so much more when you are in love with a person.

Leonid said...

I think your poem speaks the truth and lays out all the emotions on the table. Two people in a relationship should be able
to express themselves the way you portray in your poem. I don't think that love can be better expressed the way it can be through the use of poetry and meaningful words.

Mohammad A. awal said...

Your poem is amazing! Are you a professional writer?
i agree with all that you have mentioned about romantic love, however i think the domain of romantic love is infinite. Something may romantic to some one and it may be boring to others. But one thing i personally believe is true for all romantic love that is spending time together. As you have stated so eloquently, "The sight of your eyes, the warmth of your presence" [is what so important to me].